Bible Disproves Prolife
(No Soul Life in the Womb)

Introduction

Prolife is a stellar example of taking an idea incompatible with the Bible (life beings at conception) and using pettiness, lying and deliberate ignorance of the original language texts to "make it fit". You can make any idea "fit" according to your premeditated bias: look at how those who want to beleive the world is flat start making excuses for everything, and make everything 'fit' to that belief even though it really doesn't.

• Most of the counter-arguments for abortion from Christians are emotionally charged and even contradict all of the translated verses they use, along with common sense and what's observable in real life even without the Bible (stillbirth and miscarriages are a natural phenomenon: therefore God would be unjust to be forced to impute a soul at conception).
• This emotional charging is also present in the Palestine movement, which is why both use the same carbon copy argument of "innocent children"

• Prolife contradicts some aspects of salvation without any strings attached; by proxy it's in Satan's best interest to propagate Prolife. To no surprise of anyone, the majority of Christians are both simultaneously Prolife and Works-salvation oriented: bonus points to those who lie and say they believe salvation through faith but then tack on additions to that.


• Translations, translators, committes, and rarely lexicons etc. scrub the Bible's intended usage of vocabulary and pronouns for the sake of political correctness; it's often seen as too offensive so they would rather hide what it actually says (even then translations can still manage to make it difficult).

• Life begins at birth, not prior (born out from the womb, never inside). A fetus has the potential for human life but is never conclusive for it.

• Often the Prolifer will get stuck in a logic loop pointing to a nearly finished fetus and exclaim "you say this is not life or a real human child?" Forgetting the fact that the soul is not yet imputed until the first physical breath through the nostrils. Furthermore we could carry this Prolife argument to the fact that scientists are using human brain tissue and neurons for computers: does that mean the brain tissue is also "human life" like the unborn fetus as the Prolifers claim? God authors when the soul is imputed to the completed being: therefore neither the unborn fetus or growing human brain tissues in a petri dish have a soul.


• Both Prolife and Prochoice exclude God from the decision; but obviously if someone doesn't believe in God it's still their right to take whatever choice makes the most sense. If you're underaged and pregnant it's not going to be the correct decision for a kid to raise a kid, especially if the conditions were non-consensual.


• The Prolife movement is infamous for lying, bludgeoning, being dishonest as long as it stokes their bias, disinterest in nuance, and occassionally being so evil your jaw will drop: requiring mothers to sacrifice their lives for the fetus, enforcing rape victims to go through with the pregnancy etc. This of course violates what the Bible says both in 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 and 1 Peter 2:9, for your office in Royal Priesthood requires you to be alive & having believed, not superfluously commit suicide for a non-viable fetus or abandon your duty as a Royal Priest in training, which by the way, a fetus can't do because it does not have the ability to think and choose God, let alone not having a soul.

1 Corinthians 6:19-20 What?! Don't you know? That {you} your body (is) the temple (of the) Holy Spirit (Who) is in you, (of) Whom you have from God, and you are not of yourself?

1 Corinthians 6:19-20 ἢ οὐκ οἴδατε ὅτι τὸ σῶμα ὑμῶν ναὸς τοῦ ἐν ὑμῖν ἁγίου πνεύματός ἐστιν, οὗ ἔχετε ἀπὸ θεοῦ, καὶ οὐκ ἐστὲ ἑαυτῶν; 20 ἠγοράσθητε γὰρ τιμῆς· δοξάσατε δὴ τὸν θεὸν ἐν τῷ σώματι ὑμῶν.

1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen generation, (a) royal priesthood, a holy ethnic, a secured people, that the virtues (you) report, out from the darkness you (He) called, into the wonderful (of) His, light

1 Peter 2:9 ὑμεῖς δὲ γένος ἐκλεκτόν, βασίλειον ἱεράτευμα, ἔθνος ἅγιον, λαὸς εἰς περιποίησιν, ὅπως τὰς ἀρετὰς ἐξαγγείλητε τοῦ ἐκ σκότους ὑμᾶς καλέσαντος εἰς τὸ θαυμαστὸν αὐτοῦ φῶς·

When the body dies, the soul (that God created at birth) goes back to God. Therefore, the soul and biology are separate. Your soul is not dependent on the biology as it's only temporary.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 The dust returns to the earth as it was, (and) the spirit returns to God who gave it.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 (LXX) καὶ ἐπιστρέψῃ ὁ χοῦς ἐπὶ τὴν γῆν ὡς ἦν καὶ τὸ πνεῦμα ἐπιστρέψῃ πρὸς τὸν θεόν ὃς ἔδωκεν αὐτό

Ecclesiastes 12:7
וְיָשֹׁ֧ב הֶעָפָ֛ר עַל־הָאָ֖רֶץ כְּשֶׁהָיָ֑ה וְהָר֣וּחַ תָּשׁ֔וּב אֶל־הָאֱלֹהִ֖ים אֲשֶׁ֥ר נְתָנָֽהּ׃

Language Manipulation & Lying

You will often observe how Prolifers follow through what seems like a scripted sequence:

1. "Life at conception is a scientific fact"
• *proceeds to quote pseudoscience/bogus materials (like ACPeds or from Michael Egnor).


2. "The unborn are innocent human beings, you're killing babies"
• *proceeds to play games with dictionaries to redefine what is not a person as a "living innocent baby/person/child", they may proceed to quote vintage dictionaries as a misdirect as 'evidence' that an embryo is a person.
• If you have to play around with the English language as your method to determine what's life, you're already caught in a lie. Even if for some reason the English language did refer to a zygote as a "baby", it wouldn't mean this what's actually obsverable or true.


3. "God says that life begins at conception"
• *proceeds to quote English translation and correlate dubious connections, while ignoring the obvious truths what the Greek & Hebrew say.

Through lying and reversing information (a quintessential hallmark of the Prolife movement), they bludgeon others with the three very things that disprove their position, which are:

1. The Bible: they capitalize on English translations and cognitive dissonance. There are too many contradictions to list here, but they're so hellbent on simply believing in Prolife that it doesn't ultimately matter what the contradictions are. They don't care.


2. Dictionaries: they reverse and redefine what is legally and biologically considered a person in dictionaries, as if these dictionary entries would actually constitute what is observable in real life. To them it doesn't matter, if they can make a dictionary say an (unborn) fetus is a (born) human child, it's now somehow true to real life.


3. Biology/Science Textbooks: claiming they uphold the Prolife position which is not true, the only ones that do are written by religious people with the Prolife bias and not taken seriously in Academia.

There's nothing Biblical or sensical about Prolife, at best it's a modern worldview, at worst, Quranic. Here, the language is explicitly tailored to reverse the meaning of the unborn as innocent human beings, babies, or children.

The phenomenon for calling it 'murder' is something that's come up only in the last 50 years or so; this begs the question why abortion was historically never seen as murder, it's a modern phenomenon (and many scientists and anthropologists will mention this).

• Making serious acusations such as murder against unborn material that is not a complete or a person at all. This carries significant weight as it means mothers are "murdering" via stillbirths and God is incapable of stopping these murders.
• Even worse, women in the US are already being jailed now for naturally having stillbirths, which is insane. This is the result of forcing issues onto the State that aren't even issues to begin with.


• Lying by saying life at conception is scientific, a rhetoric they often repeat. Meanwhile the only people repeating this are primarily the religious. They will then proceed to provide links to bogus ACPeds citations and selective dictionary definitions because no institution takes Prolife seriously when 'abortion' and 'stillbirths' are a natural function.

Soul Imputation Order (No Breath, No Life)

'Life' is always symbolized by breathing/nostrils regardless if the biology has a soul imputed or if it's souless. However, the Bible does distinguish whether or not this life gets a soul or not depending on the underlying Hebrew.

Verse	Hebrew	Transliteration	Soul Life	Biological Life
Genesis 1:20	נֶ֣פֶשׁ חַיָּ֑ה	nefesh (c)hayyah	No	Yes
Genesis 1:30	נֶ֣פֶשׁ חַיָּ֔ה	nefesh (c)hayyah	No	Yes
Genesis 2:7	נִשְׁמַ֣ת חַיִּ֑ים	nishmat (c)hayim	Yes	No
Genesis 6:17	ר֣וּחַ חַיִּ֔ים	ruach (c)hayim	Both	Both
Genesis 7:22	נשְׁמַת־ר֙וּחַ חַיִּ֜ים	neshmat-ruach (c)hayyim	Both	Both

Genesis 1:26-27 And ELOHIM said: "let us make mankind in our shadow image, after Our likeness: and that they (may) rule over the fish in the sea, and the birds in the air,

Genesis 1:26-27
וַיֹּ֣אמֶר אֱלֹהִ֔ים נַֽעֲשֶׂ֥ה אָדָ֛ם בְּצַלְמֵ֖נוּ כִּדְמוּתֵ֑נוּ וְיִרְדּוּ֩ בִדְגַ֙ת הַיָּ֜ם וּבְע֣וֹף הַשָּׁמַ֗יִם וּבַבְּהֵמָה֙ וּבְכָל־הָאָ֔רֶץ וּבְכָל־הָרֶ֖מֶשׂ הָֽרֹמֵ֥שׂ עַל־הָאָֽרֶץ׃ וַיִּבְרָ֙א אֱלֹהִ֤ים׀ אֶת־הָֽאָדָם֙ בְּצַלְמ֔וֹ בְּצֶ֥לֶם אֱלֹהִ֖ים בָּרָ֣א אֹת֑וֹ זָכָ֥ר וּנְקֵבָ֖ה בָּרָ֥א אֹתָֽם׃

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground (physical body), and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul (post creation of physical-body).

Genesis 2:7
וַיִּיצֶר֩ יְהוָ֙ה אֱלֹהִ֜ים אֶת־הָֽאָדָ֗ם עָפָר֙ מִן־הָ֣אֲדָמָ֔ה וַיִּפַּ֥ח בְּאַפָּ֖יו נִשְׁמַ֣ת חַיִּ֑ים וַֽיְהִ֥י הָֽאָדָ֖ם לְנֶ֥פֶשׁ חַיָּֽה׃

Then that's implying that God creates souls inconsistently in homosapien --or-- that our souls are dependent on biological conception which is even worse. As mentioned the breath of lives is plural, this implies it's consistent and applies to all of homosapien.

God doesn't have breath or even lungs; the anthropomorphism makes no sense unless it's linked up with the creature receiving the breath of lives through its first literal breath by its nostrils (which is one reason why God even made oxygen to symbolize what sustains life is invisible: you can't see your soul nor the "breath of lives"). God likes to do things in a practical and consistent nature with analogies that follow suit. In the Hebrew BREATH OF LIVES is plural, implying that this is a proces for all of humanity, not just Adam.

Genesis 1:26-27 says that man (Adam) was created in the shadow-image of God. If we are to assume the Prolife argument that the breath of lives only applies to man (Adam), then too would God's shadow-image only apply to Adam. Ooops.

To cherry pick and say Genesis 1:26~27 does apply to everyone but Genesis 2:7 does not, is creating an inconsistency.

So Eve didn't BREATHE afterwards? All biological bodies need to breathe; it is required that the body would have taken a first breath.

Genesis 6:17 (KJV) And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life (lives), from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

Genesis 6:17
וַאֲנִ֗י הִנְנִי֩ מֵבִ֙יא אֶת־הַמַּבּ֥וּל מַ֙יִם֙ עַל־הָאָ֔רֶץ לְשַׁחֵ֣ת כָּל־בָּשָׂ֗ר אֲשֶׁר־בּוֹ֙ ר֣וּחַ חַיִּ֔ים מִתַּ֖חַת הַשָּׁמָ֑יִם כֹּ֥ל אֲשֶׁר־בָּאָ֖רֶץ יִגְוָֽע׃

Famous last words when you don't perform exegesis in the original language text. In Genesis 6:17 and in a lot of other context, the Bible is very explicit that all life has the breath of lives (and depending on the Hebrew, states whether it is soulless or soul-life). Why would the Bible need to preface EVERY verse with the breath of life when it's already understood this is in conjunction with soul life being created? Unless you're that stupid and selfish where you demand God's Word is written how you want 'before you believe in the breath of lives'... except the Prolifer doesn't want to believe life starts at its first breath so everything just becomes one excuse after another.

Genesis 7:22 (KJV) All in whose nostrils was the breath of life (lives), of all that was in the dry land, died.

Genesis 7:22
כֹּ֡ל אֲשֶׁר֩ נִשְׁמַת־ר֙וּחַ חַיִּ֜ים בְּאַפָּ֗יו מִכֹּ֛ל אֲשֶׁ֥ר בֶּחָֽרָבָ֖ה מֵֽתוּ׃

Do Prolifers even READ the Bible? Even in translation the breath of lives is quite obvious.

This is a misdirection and redefintion: embryos do not 'breathe' through their nostrils and fetuses have nasal plugs that get removed WHEN they take their first breath (through their nostrils). Notice how they emphasize 'babies', an embryo of course isn't a 'baby' as they want to redefine.

The original language text is quite explicit and vivid by relating a literal first breath with your nostrils.

So we're not dirt BUT WE ARE ZYGOTES? There is neither soul life in the dirt that made Adam's body nor the sperm or egg that makes our biology: that's exactly what Genesis 1:27 & 2:7 are emphasizing. They're also misdirecting again as fetal motility doesn't exist in a zygote (and they're claiming life begins at conception... so fetal motility would then be irrelevant to zygotes).

Genesis 3:16 And to the woman He said: "I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception, in sorrow you will bring forth children and your desire will be to your husband and he will rule over you."

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels (physical body), that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

2 Corinthians 4:7 Ἔχομεν δὲ τὸν θησαυρὸν τοῦτον ἐν ὀστρακίνοις σκεύεσιν, ἵνα ἡ ὑπερβολὴ τῆς δυνάμεως ᾖ τοῦ θεοῦ καὶ μὴ ἐξ ἡμῶν·

Psalm 138:8 The LORD will perfect that which concerns me: your mercy Oh LORD, endures forever. Do not forsake the works of your own hands.

Heb 10:4-5 For it's not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. Therefore when he comes into the world he says: sacrifice and offering you would not, but a body you have prepared for me.

Deuteronomy 28:26 And your carcase will be meat to all fowls of the air and to the beasts of the earth; and no person shall fight them away.

2 Samuel 12:15-18 And Nathan departed unto his house. And the LORD struck the child that Uriah's wife bare unto David, and it was very sick. David therefore besought God for the child; and David fasted, and went in, and lay all night upon the earth. And the elders of his house arose, and went to him, to raise him up from the earth: but he would not, neither did he eat bread with them. And it came to pass on the seventh day, that the child died. And the servants of David feared to tell him that the child was dead: for they said, Behold, while the child was yet alive, we spake unto him, and he would not hearken unto our voice: how will he then vex himself, if we tell him that the child is dead?

English Translation Arguments: "from the womb"

A lot of the original texts that have been translated were politically altered when the Catholic Church was translating the Greek & Hebrew into their own Latin Vulgate: therefore any changes they wanted to employ they could do so in the Vulgate, and then all of the English translations that would follow would mimic the Vulgate's political changes.

all out-from-womb verses (which you need to know, to realize how God births Christ's thinking IN you), are reversed to in-womb verses, as if life were in the womb (making God a sadist, at the expense of peace between two groups who believed the lie of life-in-womb, never bothering to check what Bible said in its inspired MSS).

'from birth' becomes 'from the womb' (and that means from inside the womb)

This verse translated in English is very nonsensical. Nobody lives from the womb as a perpetual fetus to the grave, you're born OUT OF the womb and then go to the grave.

Psalm 138:13 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.

Psalm 138:13
כִּֽי־אַ֭תָּה קָנִ֣יתָ כִלְיֹתָ֑י תְּ֜סֻכֵּ֗נִי בְּבֶ֣טֶן אִמִּֽי׃

qinyan = purchased You ordered my reins, you hedged me inside my mother's womb -using the ordered package that is NOW outside the womb

Psalm 139:13 For you have possessed my reins: you have covered (saw-kak) me in my mother's womb.

Psalm 139:13
כִּֽי־אַ֭תָּה קָנִ֣יתָ כִלְיֹתָ֑י תְּ֜סֻכֵּ֗נִי בְּבֶ֣טֶן אִמִּֽי׃

Psalm 139:14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.

Psalm 139:14
כִּֽי־אַ֭תָּה קָנִ֣יתָ כִלְיֹתָ֑י תְּ֜סֻכֵּ֗נִי בְּבֶ֣טֶן אִמִּֽי׃

-not making, set apart/marked, stagelights my soul knows the truth

Psalm 139:15 My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place, when I was woven together in the depths of the earth.

Psalm 139:15
לֹא־נִכְחַ֥ד עָצְמִ֗י מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָּ אֲשֶׁר־עֻשֵּׂ֥יתִי בַסֵּ֑תֶר רֻ֜קַּ֗מְתִּי בְּֽתַחְתִּיּ֥וֹת אָֽרֶץ׃

(messiah's womb for God authors existence) embroidiery takat?? lower regions sheol/paradise (Christ went to the depths) spontaneous abortion means murder (accusing God of murder)

Regarding God 'knew you before you were formed' (which is beyond me why anyone in Prolife uses this verse as the main argument for their cause):

Jeremiah 1:5 "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."

Jeremiah 1:5
בְּטֶ֙רֶם (אֶצּוֹרְךָ) [אֶצָּרְךָ֤] בַבֶּ֙טֶן֙ יְדַעְתִּ֔יךָ וּבְטֶ֛רֶם תֵּצֵ֥א מֵרֶ֖חֶם הִקְדַּשְׁתִּ֑יךָ נָבִ֥יא לַגּוֹיִ֖ם נְתַתִּֽיךָ׃

For this verse to be used for Prolife makes absolutely no sense... because God is saying He knew your soul that's not RELIANT on biology, before you were born: this also applies to Adam and all angels as well.

1. To say this is reliant ON the physical birth, means you're also excluding Adam of whom God did know before he was 'born'.


2. This also applies to all of the angels as well who don't have biological bodies.


3. When you die you don't take your body with you, so if the "you" was dependent on an embryo you'd cease to exist after death.

It makes absolutely no sense to read "Prolife" into this verse when God knew all souls before they were created, and continues to know all souls after their biology dies.

And you can't have it both ways: Jeremiah 1:5 needs to apply to all soul life and therefore this directly enacts on Genesis 2:7. For the sake of argument, if Jeremiah 1:5 did mean that life began at conception, then life (for Adam) would also need to begin at a dirt pile.

This also extends to Christ Himself, "a body you prepared for me", this BODY was not reliant for Christ's existence.

Hebrews 10:5 Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: "Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me;

Hebrews 10:5 διὸ εἰσερχόμενος εἰς τὸν κόσμον λέγει, θυσίαν καὶ προσφορὰν οὐκ ἠθέλησας, σῶμα δὲ κατηρτίσω μοι·

English Translation Arguments: "before being born"

Luke 1:13-15 (KJV) But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John. And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth. For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

Luke 1:13-15 εἶπεν δὲ πρὸς αὐτὸν ὁ ἄγγελος· μὴ φοβοῦ, Ζαχαρία, διότι εἰσηκούσθη ἡ δέησίς σου, καὶ ἡ γυνή σου Ἐλισάβετ γεννήσει υἱόν σοι καὶ καλέσεις τὸ ὄνομα αὐτοῦ Ἰωάννην. καὶ ἔσται χαρά σοι καὶ ἀγαλλίασις καὶ πολλοὶ ἐπὶ τῇ γενέσει αὐτοῦ χαρήσονται. ἔσται γὰρ μέγας ἐνώπιον [τοῦ] κυρίου, καὶ οἶνον καὶ σίκερα οὐ μὴ πίῃ, καὶ πνεύματος ἁγίου πλησθήσεται ἔτι ἐκ κοιλίας μητρὸς αὐτοῦ,

ek, out from

Luke 1:41-44 (KJV) And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: 42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. 43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44 For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.

Luke 1:44 καὶ ἐγένετο ὡς ἤκουσεν τὸν ἀσπασμὸν τῆς Μαρίας ἡ Ἐλισάβετ, ἐσκίρτησεν τὸ βρέφος ἐν τῇ κοιλίᾳ αὐτῆς. καὶ ἐπλήσθη πνεύματος ἁγίου ἡ Ἐλισάβετ, 42 καὶ ἀνεφώνησεν κραυγῇ μεγάλῃ καὶ εἶπεν· εὐλογημένη σὺ ἐν γυναιξίν, καὶ εὐλογημένος ὁ καρπὸς τῆς κοιλίας σου. 43 καὶ πόθεν μοι τοῦτο ἵνα ἔλθῃ ἡ μήτηρ τοῦ κυρίου μου πρὸς ἐμέ; 44 ἰδοὺ γὰρ ὡς ἐγένετο ἡ φωνὴ τοῦ ἀσπασμοῦ σου εἰς τὰ ὦτά μου, ἐσκίρτησεν ἐν ἀγαλλιάσει τὸ βρέφος ἐν τῇ κοιλίᾳ μου.

vrefos is not a child -reflex motility

English Translation Arguments: Deliberate Mistranslations

not thighs not swell (curse of abortion), belly should be womb, swell should be blow up disease of the stomach, nothing to do with stomach

Job 3:3 (KJV) Let the day perish wherein I was born, and the night in which it was said, There is a man child conceived.

Job 3:3 (KJV)
יֹ֣אבַד י֭וֹם אִוָּ֣לֶד בּ֑וֹ וְהַלַּ֥יְלָה אָ֜מַ֗ר הֹ֣רָה גָֽבֶר׃

'was to be born' -no sex at conception

Legal Examples

In the event the fetus could potentially be injured it was never a State-manted issue. In the event *the woman* got injured then it became a State issue.

Exodus 21:22-23 If men are fighting and strike a pregnant woman so that she gives birth prematurely yet no injuries follow, the offender must be fined accord to (what) the woman's husbands demands are* up to what is permissible. But if there's serious injury (to the woman), then a life for a life**.

Exodus 21:22-23
וְכִֽי־יִנָּצ֣וּ אֲנָשִׁ֗ים וְנָ֙גְפ֜וּ אִשָּׁ֤ה הָרָה֙ וְיָצְא֣וּ יְלָדֶ֔יהָ וְלֹ֥א יִהְיֶ֖ה אָס֑וֹן עָנ֣וֹשׁ יֵעָנֵ֗שׁ כַּֽאֲשֶׁ֙ר יָשִׁ֤ית עָלָיו֙ בַּ֣עַל הָֽאִשָּׁ֔ה וְנָתַ֖ן בִּפְלִלִֽים׃ וְאִם־אָס֖וֹן יִהְיֶ֑ה וְנָתַתָּ֥ה נֶ֖פֶשׁ תַּ֥חַת נָֽפֶשׁ׃

* State is not involved

** Becomes a criminal matter, and has nothing to do with the fetus

When Prolife Champions Misery

• Prolifers say: you must give birth to the fetus, even if it means sacrificing your own life. 💀


• Prolifers demand rape victims give birth, claiming that rape becomes a blessing. 💀
• This has multiple facets that are horrific, both that sometimes children can become pregnant or the victim doesn't want the pregnancy as a reminder of the trauma (in both situations the mother may not have appropriate faculties and an environment to raise a kid anyways). Neither situations warrant a forced pregnancy.


• Prolifers demand unsuitable parents or those with unsuitable conditions give birth, regardless if it will cause suffering for the kid(s). 💀


• Prolifers will lie and claim they want these freedoms to be reduced because they respect life, while they compliment this lie with bigotry, hatred, and zero compassion. 💀


• Prolifers advise that sex is solely for the purpose of procreation and not recreation (despite the obvious contradiction that it was designed to feel good and to symbolize rapport, with reproduction intended as the secondary aspect).


• Prolifers sometimes claim all sex is voluntary. 💀

Does any of that sound like the "sanctity of life" to you? They create scenarios that remove your freedom and create misery, and reverse that as being moral and supporting life when it does the exact opposite. Most everything in the Prolife movement is about lying and reversing.

I'm thoroughly convinced that because they lie so much, it begins to affect things for them beyond Prolife -- i.e. they'll start lying about other things in their day-to-day life as lying becomes their "new normal".

God Sanctioning Abortion and Miscarriages

2 Kings 8:12-14 And Hazael said, Why weepeth my lord? And he answered, Because I know the evil that thou wilt do unto the children of Israel: their strong holds wilt thou set on fire, and their young men wilt thou slay with the sword, and wilt dash their children, and rip up their women with child. And Hazael said, But what, is thy servant a dog, that he should do this great thing? And Elisha answered, The LORD hath shewed me that thou shalt be king over Syria. So he departed from Elisha, and came to his master; who said to him, What said Elisha to thee? And he answered, He told me that thou shouldest surely recover.

2 Kings 8:12-14
וַיֹּ֣אמֶר חֲזָאֵ֔ל מַדּ֖וּעַ אֲדֹנִ֣י בֹכֶ֑ה וַיֹּ֡אמֶר כִּֽי־יָדַ֡עְתִּי אֵ֣ת אֲשֶׁר־תַּעֲשֶׂה֩ לִבְנֵ֙י יִשְׂרָאֵ֜ל רָעָ֗ה מִבְצְרֵיהֶ֞ם תְּשַׁלַּ֤ח בָּאֵשׁ֙ וּבַחֻֽרֵיהֶם֙ בַּחֶ֣רֶב תַּהֲרֹ֔ג וְעֹלְלֵיהֶ֣ם תְּרַטֵּ֔שׁ וְהָרֹתֵיהֶ֖ם תְּבַקֵּֽעַ׃ 13 וַיֹּ֣אמֶר חֲזָהאֵ֔ל כִּ֣י מָ֤ה עַבְדְּךָ֙ הַכֶּ֔לֶב כִּ֣י יַעֲשֶׂ֔ה הַדָּבָ֥ר הַגָּד֖וֹל הַזֶּ֑ה וַיֹּ֣אמֶר אֱלִישָׁ֔ע הִרְאַ֧נִי יְהוָ֛ה אֹתְךָ֖ מֶ֥לֶךְ עַל־אֲרָֽם׃ 14 וַיֵּ֣לֶךְ׀ מֵאֵ֣ת אֱלִישָׁ֗ע וַיָּבֹא֙ אֶל־אֲדֹנָ֔יו וַיֹּ֣אמֶר ל֔וֹ מָֽה־אָמַ֥ר לְךָ֖ אֱלִישָׁ֑ע וַיֹּ֕אמֶר אָ֥מַר לִ֖י חָיֹ֥ה תִחְיֶֽה׃

Isaiah 13:17-18 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it. Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eye shall not spare children.

Isaiah 13:17-18
הִנְנִ֛י מֵעִ֥יר עֲלֵיהֶ֖ם אֶת־מָדָ֑י אֲשֶׁר־כֶּ֙סֶף֙ לֹ֣א יַחְשֹׁ֔בוּ וְזָהָ֖ב לֹ֥א יַחְפְּצוּ־בֽוֹ׃ 18 וּקְשָׁת֖וֹת נְעָרִ֣ים תְּרַטַּ֑שְׁנָה וּפְרִי־בֶ֙טֶן֙ לֹ֣א יְרַחֵ֔מוּ עַל־בָּנִ֖ים לֹֽא־תָח֥וּס עֵינָֽם׃

Hosea 9:14-16 Give them, O LORD: what wilt thou give? give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts. All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters. Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit: yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb.

Hosea 9:14-16
תֵּן־לָהֶ֥ם יְהוָ֖ה מַה־תִּתֵּ֑ן תֵּן־לָהֶם֙ רֶ֣חֶם מַשְׁכִּ֔יל וְשָׁדַ֖יִם צֹמְקִֽים׃ 15 כָּל־רָעָתָ֤ם בַּגִּלְגָּל֙ כִּֽי־שָׁ֣ם שְׂנֵאתִ֔ים עַ֚ל רֹ֣עַ מַֽעַלְלֵיהֶ֔ם מִבֵּיתִ֖י אֲגָרְשֵׁ֑ם לֹ֤א אוֹסֵף֙ אַהֲבָתָ֔ם כָּל־שָׂרֵיהֶ֖ם סֹרְרִֽים׃ 16 הֻכָּ֣ה אֶפְרַ֔יִם שָׁרְשָׁ֥ם יָבֵ֖שׁ פְּרִ֣י (בְלִי־)[בַֽל־]יַעֲשׂ֑וּן גַּ֚ם כִּ֣י יֵֽלֵד֔וּן וְהֵמַתִּ֖י מַחֲמַדֵּ֥י בִטְנָֽם׃ ס

Prochoice or Godchoice?

While the Bible places little concern on physical abortion due to the fact God authors all life (Revelation 22:13); there is the issue of mental abortion whereby the person in question is excluding God -- and that includes decision making (which ironically could include whether or not to have an abortion) or the very issue of salvation or post-salvation. In other words, the issues shift from being 'prochoice' to acutally being 'Godchoice' in all faculties.

Luke 8:12 Those by the road side are they that hear; then comes the devil, and takes away the Word out of their hearts, in case they should believe and be saved.

Luke 8:12 οἱ δὲ παρὰ τὴν ὁδόν εἰσιν οἱ ἀκούσαντες, εἶτα ἔρχεται ὁ διάβολος καὶ αἴρει τὸν λόγον ἀπὸ τῆς καρδίας αὐτῶν, ἵνα μὴ πιστεύσαντες σωθῶσιν.

Matthew 13:13 "Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand."

Matthew 13:13 διὰ τοῦτο ἐν παραβολαῖς αὐτοῖς λαλῶ, ὅτι βλέποντες οὐ βλέπουσιν καὶ ἀκούοντες οὐκ ἀκούουσιν οὐδὲ συνίουσιν,

When Enough isn't Enough

At first glance it may seem like the goal of the Prolife movement is to simply "stop the murdering of babies", which of course as we know 'babies' have to be born first TO even be murdered, which no sane person would do. Deeper underneath we find anyone who is Prolife has a lot of underlying rot that would persist even if the impossible occurred and abortions were banned globally.

In other words, their satiation doesn't stop at banning abortion, they want total reduction of freedom.

1. Those who are Prolife disregard individuals who don't subscribe to the same beliefs that they do. So if Prolife individual [X] has religious beliefs [ABC], they will immediately discard and attack Prochoice [Y] for having non-religious beliefs [DEF] based on that fact. Everyone has the right of privacy and freedom to what they want to believe.


2. The movement of 'Prolife' encompasses those who are ADDICTED to crusading and judging. So if they're not bludgeoning someone with Prolife, they're bludgeoning someone with something else. Their ultimate end goal is to bludgeon others and restrict freedom, banning abortion is a bit of a facad. If abortion was banned they'd move right on to the next topic to bludgeon everyone with. This is why MAGA, Trump, and conservative Christianity are often carefully packaged together.


3. Because everyone in Prolife uses dishonest and misdirection techniques to argue their point, this bleeds into their personal life. If they're dishonest with one thing, they're going to be dishonest in everything else, too.


4. Lying is the main tenant for Prolifers; and the entirety of their arguments are based on lies. The more they normalize lying, the more they'll perform this in their daily life without noticing it.


5. The Prolife movement has the desire to invert what is natural and make these inversions seem 'moral'. You could indeed argue that it's 'moral' to force pregnancies, but enforcing morality becomes immoral.


6. The Prolife movement wants to reduce freedom of the invidual and ensure any mistakes compound themselves into concentrated misery. If a teenager accidentally gets pregnant and they're too young to handle it or raise a kid, wouldn't abortion be the best course of action? Otherwise you end up having a baby raising a baby, and this accomplishes nothing productive in life. It ruins both the life of the teenager and brings in another life to ruin.

When Prolifers Devolve

If you spend enough time debating with a Prolifer, you may notice that some of them unfortunately devolve into monsters and show their true colours. They'll start accusing you of: racism, nazism, (...) and not realize that by doing so they support the very thing they're trying to reverse ONTO YOU.

Okay but how do you know if 'Prolife' is what God says:

1. If God gave us the ability to have freedom of thought, including WRONG beliefs: how do you truly know if God's stance is Prolife? Exegesis in the original language texts proves Prolife is not compatible with it, only in English translation and petty logic with a predisposed bias can you see it as "Prolife".


2. If every major religion is Prolife and we are to assume (as Christians) that Satan authored religion, where does that put you? Most Christians (especially Christian Nationalists) believe doctrines that are parallel to Islam, while adding some that make it even worse to society than many of the things they complain about Islam, while selling it in God's name.


3. If Satan placates to our morality and comes 'as an Angel of light', doesn't Prolife fit this bill perfectly? At first glance you could say it's moral to 'save the lives of others', but there is no soul life in an embryo. So instead that morality turns to pure evil, even going so far to sacrifice the mother in favour of something that has no soul yet.

What Does Prolife Make God?

Here's a list of what were to happen if we were to assume that both God existed and God were Prolife:

1. The Prolife God would not be the God of the Bible (sorry to dissapoint, Christian Nationalists!). It would be one whose texts support the ideology such as the Qur'an.
• Most religions are in fact Prolife, and Islam is eager to point this out.


2. The Prolife God murders through stillbirths as the 'God' has no choice but to obey the limitations of biology.


3. The Prolife God contradictingly made sex recreational and feel good, but it must ONLY ever be used for reproductive purposes.


4. The Prolife God requires minions for all bidding.
• In the real world if God were so offended by Prolife it's curious that there's no reaction to it, almost as if it's a right of freedom for everyone. In instances of human history where there were actual child sacrifices (child was born and took its first breath), those nations were wiped out: this includes the Carthaginians, Sodom & Gomorrah, Ancient Aztecs...


5. The Prolife God would support mental illness of followers.
• You can watch how Prolifers' minds eventually rot away in real time. They cease to think and only react, are allergic to nuance and articulation as well.


6. The Prolife God is all about hypocrisy: tell others to forcefully give birth, but never adopt or lift a finger of your own.


7. The Prolife God absolutely hates women. Their sole purpose is for reproduction, they need to sacrifice their lives for the embryo regardless of how that fertilization occurred.
• This Prolife obsession with women sacrificing themselves for the unborn violates 1 Corinthians 6:19-20, because you're not supposed to carelessly harm or murder your body.


8. The Prolife God sponsors rape & abuse because it's more important that the holy embryos always come to term no matter what. The Prolife God has no control once fertilization occurs.
• Bonus points to when Prolifers lie and say rape always becomes a happy ending or that children themselves can't get pregnant.


9. The Prolife God is limited by biology rather than being an infinite being beyond biology and directly controlling whose souls get invented.


10. The Prolife God does not honour freedom... that we're now currently able to exhibit.
• All of the prolifers want freedom reduced for everyone. They will lie saying they're sponsoring freedom by reducing your freedom (of course).


11. The Prolife God is small. Unable prevent murdering in stillbirths, requiring minions, championing every major sin (lying, dishonesty, hypocrisy, restricting freedom, vindictiveness...)

Now that certainly doesn't sound like a 'loving (infinite) God', it carries all of the qualities Satan champions for.

The Prolifer's Conundrum

Despite Prolifers wanting to control the world, they will always have to contend with these 'problems':

1. Non-consensual sex will always occur.


2. Stillbirths will always occur.


3. Pregnancy complications will always occur.


4. Unfit parents will always occur.


5. Children abandoned and unable to be adopted will always occur (look at all of the poverty in the world for crying out loud).


6. Dishonesty, lying and misdirection must be employed for nearly every Prolife argument.

Banging the drum, screaming at others, extreme activism, using violence to burn down abortion clinics and harass doctors -- none of this will change reality. Yet they will continue to embarass themselves because they want to placate to their emotion and zealotry. You THINK you're doing something for a 'good cause' but you've failed to audit the nature of what activism you've sponsored... not that activism is generally productive (the climate activists who threw soup at Vincent van Gogh's painting accomplished nothing) when you could be studying God's words in the original languages instead.

Truth doesn't need activisim, had Prolife been a valid concept certifiable through science and the Bible nobody would need to become an activist.

Life Begins BEFORE Conception?

Recently some in the Prolife movement have taken it a step further to say that life begins even BEFORE conception, and therefore 'birth control is abortion' 🙄. The premise of this falls apart because sperm are constantly dying inside the testes and womens' eggs naturally die off over time.

Deuteronomy 7:14 is taken out of context implying that all males are always going to be fertile (which isn't going to happen, so the work-around logic is that it becomes YOUR fault if you're somehow sterile). Genesis 2:24's "one flesh" is taken out of context to mean having a child: except the Hebrew (לְבָשָׂ֥ר אֶחָֽד) really says "to become (like) one flesh", not literal.

These people also (predictably) then say sex is ONLY to be had ONE TIME during the month solely for reproduction, and once the woman is pregnant you are not to engage in sex becuase that's killing sperm that have lives. Um okay, but what about all of the other sperm that die which don't fertilize the egg "during that one time"? The whole premise is completely WHACKO. All of these stupid 'Christian' ideas about when life begins are the very definition of castles in the sky. This is of course why atheists take nothing the Christians say seriously IT DEFIES COMMON LOGIC.

A Warning to Christians

Remember... God respects the freedom of everyone, so we are given the ability to believe in lies if we want them, you are responsible for what you believe not God or anybody else. Anyone who subscribes to Prolife wants to believe in it regardless of what the Bible says and that's the problem. Overriding your own beliefs from what God says in the original languages ultimately means you're not really interested in God, you want religion.

Don't go on with the nonsense of "well I'm rightly dividing the word", everyone who ever lived assumed they're 'rightly dividing the word' even when they weren't, that's why denominations get nearly everything wrong as they never feel the need to correct errors that have become part of their belief system. Two big giveaways are: first the need to announce to everyone that you're rightly dividing the word and therefore clearly correct, someone who's a scholar won't have the urge to incessantly announce this just like someone in God's system doesn't need to announce to people "well I'll be praying for you" whenever they feel threatened. The second: those who claim they're rightly dividing the word usually always have beliefs that contradict common sense and what's observable in nature.

If you continue to sell ideologies in God's name which have nothing to do with God, you will be held responsible for it. Many atheists now think the Bible actually supports 'Prolife' because of Christians who are supposedly experts in the book they claim to believe, but never read:

Exodus 20:7 "You should not misuse the name of the Lord your God: for the Lord will not hold anyone guiltless that takes his name in vain."

Exodus 20:7
לֹ֥א תִשָּׂ֛א אֶת־שֵֽׁם־יְהוָ֥ה אֱלֹהֶ֖יךָ לַשָּׁ֑וְא כִּ֣י לֹ֤א יְנַקֶּה֙ יְהוָ֔ה אֵ֛ת אֲשֶׁר־יִשָּׂ֥א אֶת־שְׁמ֖וֹ לַשָּֽׁוְא׃ פ

If you continue to judge and bludgeon others, then God will judge you in the exact same way:

Matthew 7:1-3 don't judge, so that you (are) not judged. For in what you judge, you will be judged (with): and in what measure you measure (against others), it will be measured (back) to you. And why perceive the splinter that's in your brother's eye, but not observe the log that's in your own eye?

Matthew 7:1-3 Μὴ κρίνετε, ἵνα μὴ κριθῆτε. ἐν ᾧ γὰρ κρίματι κρίνετε κριθήσεσθε, καὶ ἐν ᾧ μέτρῳ μετρεῖτε μετρηθήσεται ὑμῖν. τί δὲ βλέπεις τὸ κάρφος τὸ ἐν τῷ ὀφθαλμῷ τοῦ ἀδελφοῦ σου, τὴν δὲ ἐν τῷ σῷ ὀφθαλμῷ δοκὸν οὐ κατανοεῖς;

These warnings are no joke. If you claim to be an ambassador for God, lie against His Word while saying it's what He says, attack everyone in your vicinity, behave childishly... all of these warnings will come flying and smack you in the face. You will have no excuse because it's what you wanted to do, and God granted you the freedom to do it.

References

Here's some of the Prolife-related websites I used as a reference to build my paraphrased arguments. Be warned that they are allergic to original language texts and selective about arguments as to avoid the ones that obviously contradict... and then of course lie and say everyone else is contradicting themselves.

• https://answersingenesis.org/sanctity-of-life/answering-pro-abortion-arguments-does-life-begin-first-breath/
• https://www.lifenews.com/2023/12/08/bible-verses-confirm-unborn-children-are-alive-active-in-the-womb-before-birth/
• https://www.reproachofmen.org/2015/01/the-right-to-abort/
• https://evolutionnews.org/2022/05/if-a-fetus-isnt-a-human-being-what-is-it/
• https://www.gotquestions.org/pro-life-personally.html

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